Subject: Roswell as a Smoking Gun
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Regarding..
>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:21:12 GMT
>From: Pete Porro
>Subject: Re: ROSWELL FOR 5TH GRADER
> If there is a smoking gun in ufology.....it's Roswell.
>And it's aimed right at UFOlogys foot. Roswell was dead two days after it
>happened. It's a empty bag.
>All the witnesses agree as to what they saw, and it coincides with the AF
>Mogul report.
Hi Pete,
If the USAF report agrees with the witnesses testimonies, could you point
out where it details the recovery of the bodies and the subsequent
autopsies? :)
If "All the witnesses agree as to what they saw", could you please explain
the following extract from a copy I have of a statement made by Stanton
Friedman in response to the USAF report:
[START]
...Pensioned OSI officer Sheridan Cavitt's new testimony is totally at odds
with his own previous testimony, with that of others who supposedly
accompanied him to the crash site, and with the official USAF conclusion!
...Here is what Cavitt is quoted as saying (Atch 17), "The area of this
debris was very small, about 20 feet square, and the material was spread on
the ground, but there was no gouge or crater or other obvious signs of
impact. I remember recognising this material as being consistent with a
weather balloon. We gathered up some of this material, which would easily
fit into one vehicle."
If Cavitt recognised a balloon, why not tell all the investigators??
...Lt. McAndrew, in contrast, says (Atch 32), "The balloon that was found on
the Foster Ranch consisted of as many as 23 350 gram balloons spaced at 20
foot intervals, several radar targets (3 to 5), plastic ballast tubes,
parchment parachutes, a black "cutoff" box containing portions of a weather
instrument and a sonabuoy."
...Major Marcel spoke...in terms of an area 3/4 of a mile long and hundreds
of feet wide.
...Brazel was primarily concerned, when he originally found the wreckage on
about July 3, (not June 14) that his sheep refused to cross the large debris
field.
[END]
So, we have, say, 20 balloons spaced at 20 foot intervals, several radar
targets, parachutes, etc. and "The area of this debris was very small,
about 20 feet square..."
Do you still contend that "All the witnesses agree as to what they saw"?
Cavitt and McAndrew can't agree amongst themselves let alone disagree with
Marcel and Brazel.
A couple of other points made by Friedman:
[START]
...Weaver alludes to profit making by people concerned with Roswell... He
never mentions that three of the people interviewed, Lt. Colonel Sheridan
Cavitt, USAF retired, The Mogul Project Officer Colonel Albert Trakowski,
USAF retired, and weatherman Irving Newton, Major, USAF retired, are all
collecting nice pensions, get medical care, etc. and have a very strong
vested interest in NOT upsetting the apple cart at this point in their
lives. They don't need to be threatened.
...Weaver also suggests that it would be impossible to conduct a serious
investigation of crashed flying saucers and alien bodies without leaving a
huge Air Force paper trail. During World War 2, Dr. Vannevar Bush headed the
Office of Scientific Research and Development under which aegis the
Manhatten Project was operated to develop atomic bombs... He noted in his
Oral History at MIT that there were weekly meetings of the four leaders of
the Manhatten Project. There were no secretaries, no agendas, no minutes; in
short, no paper trail. They surely got the job done.
...Weaver mentions the memo of July 8, 1947, from the Dallas FBI Office and
uses this quote, "The disc is hexagonal in shape and was suspended from a
balloon by a cable, which balloon was approximately 20 feet in diameter...
the object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar
reflector.. disc and balloon being transported.."
Weaver leaves out this clause after radar reflector, "but that telephonic
conversation between their office and Wright Field had not borne out this
belief."
I think it is fair to say that this omission is significant.
[END]
Within the official USAF report, can you also find a reference and
explanation for the following:
[START]
Bill Rickett was a Counter Intelligence Corps officer based in Roswell. He
had an opportunity to examine some of the wreckage recovered from the Foster
Ranch. He escorted Dr Lincoln LaPaz, a meteor expert from the New Mexico
Institute of Meteoritics, on a tour of the crash site and the surrounding
area.
The material] was very strong and very light. You could bend it but
couldn't crease it. As far as I know, no one ever figured out what it was
made of....
It was LaPaz's job to try to find out what the speed and trajectory of the
thing was. LaPaz was a world-renowned expert on trajectories of objects in
the sky, especially meteors, and I was told to give him all the help I
could.
At one point LaPaz interviewed the farmer [Mac Brazel]. I remember
something coming up during their conversation about this fellow thinking
that some of his animals had acted strangely after this thing happened. Dr
LaPaz seemed very interested in this for some reason.
LaPaz wanted to fly over the area, and this was arranged.
He found one other spot where he felt this thing had touched down and then
taken off again. The sand at this spot had been turned into a glass-like
substance. We collected a box full of samples of this material. As I
recall, there were some metal samples here, too, of that same sort of thin
foil
stuff. LaPaz sent this box off somewhere for study; I don't know or recall
where, but I never saw it again. This place was some miles from the other
one.
LaPaz was very good at talking to people, especially some of the local ranch
hands who didn't speak a lot of English. LaPaz spoke Spanish. I remember he
found a couple of people who had seen two -- I don't know what to call them,
UFOs I suppose -- anyway, had seen two of these things fly over very slowly
at a very low altitude on a date, in the evening, that he determined had
been a day or two after the other one had blown up. These people said
something about animals being affected, too....
Before he went back to Albuquerque, he told me that he was certain that this
thing had gotten into trouble, that it had touched down for repairs, taken
off again, and then exploded. He also felt certain there were more than one
of these devices, and that the others had been looking for it.
At least that's what he said. He was positive the thing had malfunctioned.
[END]
No?
You mean they did not interview such a renowned meteor expert who had vital
first hand testimony from the actual scene?
Well, what about the area where "The sand at this spot had been turned into
a glass-like substance". This was surely discussed?
No?
I could of course detail numerous other examples, but the point has been
made.
Roswell _is_ still a smoking gun.
Both barrels.
Cheers,
James.
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